Another Paul/Huckabee Comparison
Posted by Kevin on October 19, 2007
EDITED: Fixed some clerical errors…
Here we go a nifty little comparison about Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee contrasted with me. I did not include the Iraq war. I don’t think I need to, but Let me explain why, even though I share many of Paul’s beliefs and oppose some of Huckabee’s, I still will vote for Huckabee. One Reason is his strong stand of social issues. I believe he drives the issue home when he says that most of our society’s problems come from the degradation of the family and the loss of respect for the sanctity of life. I agree deeply there and I disagree deeply with how Paul wants to fix the problem. Our society is tearing itself apart and we have to restore the moral order that our forefathers intended. Ron Paul wants to be nonchalant about this, but moral issues are the core problem of America.
I may sound like a fundamentalist here, but I assure you I am not. Look at history. Rome fell when morality dropped to its lowest. People were doing the same things we are doing now, but with less severe numbers. Things like this can and will tear a country apart. Open your history book read the stories of fallen powers and social disasters and realize how vast this issue is. I don’t think a true Libertarian approach can solve this issue. Truthfully only the people can fix it, but we need to take the first step and Ron Paul is not that step.
I also disagree with Paul about his foreign policy I vehemently oppose the UN and all it stands for. I’m with Huckabee here I think that once we loose our self respect through international compliance then we loose our identity. Ron Paul thinks International takes precedence over US law and that the war is against many of these laws (as well as the constitution). I think preemptivity is justified for our national defense. True I want our troops home as much as any American, but not now! When we can leave with honor then we can leave.
Ron Paul doesn’t cut it for me there at all. I absolutely hate his foreign policy! Now on to the graph: (note: either cut and paste or hold ctrl and use your mouse wheel to zoom so you can see it all.)
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Issue |
Libertarians |
Me |
Ron Paul |
Mike Huckabee |
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Personal Privacy |
The government should not eavesdrop or infringe on your personal privacy without consent. No national Id Card no eminent domain. |
I feel that there are times for the government to spy for national security. The national Id card is bad and eminent domain is wrong when used wrongly. |
Complete privacy and does not support wire tapping of any kind unless it is allowed through congress or another branch. Against national ID and eminent domain. |
“When government takes private property for the benefit of private entities and individuals that is really a threshold that once we cross we have a hard time getting back.” He is also against national ID, but supports wire tapping for defense. |
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Right to Bear Arms |
The second amendment states Americans have the right to bear arms for protection and security. |
Agreed Americans have the right to bear arms, but of course a registered criminal cannot or if the person is deemed “ill.” |
“I share our Founders’ belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms.” |
“The Founding Fathers wanted us to be |
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Freedom of Speech |
Libertarians believe in unrestricted free speech. |
Why of course government censorship is wrong, but private organizations can do all they want to silence someone provide it is within reason. |
Believes in unrestricted free speech. |
Believes in unrestricted free speech. |
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Social Security |
Libertarians believe there should be Individual Retirement Accounts. |
Oh yes, please kill social security! It is stupid. Privatization is a great first step to fixing the problem! |
Do not tax social security. Fix solvency. |
Completely eliminate all federal income and payroll taxes including social security. Privatize into individual retirement accounts. |
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Taxes |
Taxes should be lowered, because we believe the government’s top priority should be to protect American’s and uphold the constitution. |
Here we go, I believe the income tax is unconstitutional as it was intended. A simple decrease is not enough the Fair Tax is the answer to the tax problem. |
Lower Taxes and Phase out the Fed. Eventually destroy all federal taxes. |
The strongest Fair Tax supporter I have seen aside from John Linder and Neal Boortz. He also wishes to control spending and supports the line item veto. ( does Paul?) |
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Immigration |
Open and free immigration would help better the country. |
By no means should we have open borders! Immigration does help us, but many illegals do not wish to become citizens. |
Secure the boarders end birthright citizenship enforce visa rules and rule of law. Etc. |
Supports closed boarders, but also streamlining the legal immigration process. (Should I add the other standard issues? Let’s just say they are very similar in this area even in light to Huck’s criticism) |
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Foreign Aid |
Aid programs slow down economic development more than help improve the lives of those living in countries receiving aid. |
Agreed foreign aid is dumb when used incorrectly, but this is part of foreign policy, a very sticky subject. I feel there is need for private aid. |
From what I gather he is against foreign aid to our enemies and supports open trade. |
Against foreign aid for building infrastructure, but supports it for humanitarian efforts. Supports open trade. |
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Environment |
Libertarians would hold the government responsible for their mess, but not for government regulation of business. |
Can you say duh? Oh well I don’t know what their belief on Global Warming is, but I shun it. |
Live and let live policy for corporate pollution BUT Paul calls for states’ role in carbon emissions reduction. |
Huckabee thinks there needs to be a carbon cap and believes we need to be stewards of our natural forests. |
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Crime |
Victims would be given more input into their case. Criminals would be required to pay restitution to their victims for the pain and suffering they’ve caused. |
That and more for instance there needs to be a better jail system. Our current one is useless! We need therapists and advisors to help criminals recover financially so that crime is not their only option. Capital punishment is wrong, to an extent. |
He is a bit teetering on rehabilitation of criminals, but he is against the death penalty and supports alternative sentencing. |
Staunchly against the death penalty except in extreme cases such as Osama. Supports alternative sentencing and wants a stronger and more effective rehabilitation system. Also calls for prison privation and tougher juvenile punishments. |
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Drugs |
The war on drugs should end. |
Ok I will say yes and no to this. I’m divided here as well this “war” is a waste of money, but allowing it is like allowing society to kill itself. I think a better approach to the problem would be the best bet. |
Legalize drugs. |
More funding for drug war. Supports rehabilitation over incarceration and additional drug education programs. He basically supports changing how we view the problem. |
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Jail Time |
Libertarians would make violent criminals serve their whole sentence. |
Criminals are criminals you make a mistake you live with it! Read my “crime” position as well. I think whatever sentence they get they should take it. |
I cannot figure this out, but it looks like, since he supports alternative punishment, he would be against parole. Someone inform me here… |
Is against no parole, but supports more rehabilitation economically. Calls crime a failure of social education and the natural disposition of man. |
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Education |
Libertarians would seek to improve education by providing alternatives to government-funded schools. |
What the heck does this mean? There are alternatives. People just need to know about them, but I think the DOE needs to leave. Education is for the states. Our system worked for years under that ideal. Teachers unions should all just leave. Art education should be part of a required course and “sex-education” should absolutely not fall under the school! |
Supports equal funds for abstinence as contraceptive-based education, guarantees parity for home school diplomas. Does not support school vouchers as alternative to public schools. Wants to eliminate the DOE! |
Replace entire school board for failing schools. Equal funds for abstinence as contraceptive-based education. Supports character education and arts education. He does not want to kill the DOE However he is looking for a complete overhaul. |
Let me explain taxes a bit. I think the income tax is unconstitutional. Our forefathers did not want a direct tax. The income tax is just that. There should have never been a 16th amendment it should be destroyed from the face of history as well as the IRS. It should be a memory never more to be a haunt to us all. I could go on forever about the Fair Tax, but I think a true Libertarian would agree that the Income tax is unconstitutional and the Fair Tax works.
The “Bretton Woods System” or in layman’s terms “Gold Backed Curency” was discontinued because of the instability it spawned. under this system the US reserves dwindled to nothing and from there trade deficits grew. People knew that given time the dollar would simply collapse. So we no longer have a gold backed currency. The old gold backed standard worked for a while, but as evidenced with the Bretton Woods System such an action will not help us. I suggest you read up on you history mate…
I suggest you read what John Maynard Keynes had to say about lazzie-faire. Keynes states that the natural state of the economy is not full employment as first believed and that a live and let live policy can only lead to frequent recessions. Think of it as a car rolling down hill. Normally the car will speed up as it goes down, but Keynesian economics applies the brakes to the car so that it does not hit the tree at the bottom of the hill. Read about economic policy. Classic economic policy has been disproven time and time again. Read up on it from both sides, but see that only one side has precedence on its side.
I hate government sponsored health care, but I won’t need to worry about that unless Hillary is in office. All in all I think the government has no right to regulate us. The only problem I have with true Libertarianism is social policy economic policy and foreign policy. Call me what you may I will never vote for Ron Paul! I already shunned how many of his supporters are dishonest and inflammatory, but that is a problem for their campaign if they want support they need to deal with that, because insulting is never the key.
Have a great day everyone. I will see you later!







bret said
You need to read up on your economics a little more. The issue that should unite the entire country is that the FED must be abolished. Why? Cui bono? Look who benefits. I’ll give you a hint: those who manipulate fake paper currencies do not do so for the benefit of the poor or middle class. They do so for their own benefit. In order to save what’s left of this country, we must empower the people by returning to what the Constitution was originally written – that money should be gold and/or silver, nothing else. Study your history. There were VERY GOOD REASONS back then for such language, and those reasons are supported by recent history as well, and remain very good reasons today. This is not a “fringe” or “whacko” issue – this is THE central issue. And it is why Huckster is wrong – FairTax is a zero-sum game for the government, which doesn’t address either the cause (the printing press / FED) or the effect (massive overspending).
Kevin said
First of all I don’t need to read up on economics or history for that matter. This is two semesters of college Macroeconomics talking. I do have some knowledge on the subject and I will continue to learn.
My advice, don’t assume a person is without knowledge if you wish to win an argument such a think is close to ad hominim. It’s no way to win.
In any case I guess I should brief you:
The “Bretton Woods System” or in layman’s terms “Gold Backed Curency” was discontinued because of the instability it spawned. under this system the US reserves dwindled to nothing and from there trade deficits grew. People knew that given time the dollar would simply collapse. So we no longer have a goldbacked currency. The old gold backed standard worked for a while, but as evidenced with the Bretton Woods System such an action will not help us. I suggest you read up on you history mate…
“I’ll give you a hint: those who manipulate fake paper currencies do not do so for the benefit of the poor or middle class. They do so for their own benefit. In order to save what’s left of this country, we must empower the people by returning to what the Constitution was originally written – that money should be gold and/or silver, nothing else. Study your history.”
Do you want to know why the dollar raises and lowers in value? Inflation! Yes supply and demand and consumer demand creates fluctuations in the dollar’s value. Curbing inflation makes the dollar decrease in value etc… *sigh* I really do not want to explain this…
You say the FED only cares about themselves. I wander what hole you crawled out of? The government is not always out to get you… The FED does not purposely screw you over. If interest rates rise it is for the control of money in circulation. Interest rates are a way of controlling money flow and in turn inflation. Oh yeah and for the record money is not “dollars” the money you have in your back is not dollars! It is in fact just money placed at being worth a set amount of dollars.
In any case if you wish to learn more about laissez-faire I suggest you read what John Maynard Keynes had to say about it. Keynes states that the natural state of the economy is not full employment as first believed and that a live and let live policy can only lead to frequent recessions. Think of it as a car rolling down hill. Normally the car will speed up as it goes down, but Keynesian economics applies the brakes to the car so that it does not hit the tree at the bottom of the hill. Read about economic policy. Classic economic policy has been disproven time and time again. Read up on it from both sides, but see that only one side has precedence on its side.
“FairTax is a zero-sum game for the government, which doesn’t address either the cause (the printing press / FED) or the effect (massive overspending).”
Bah, this tells me how much you know about economics. News flash! If you have more money in your pockets would you be a little inclined to buy that extra gadget that you always wanted? Of course! Same goes that if businesses cost of production falls then they can sell goods with greater profit. Tell me why that does not fix a whole mess of things? The Fair Tax world would be amazing. America would become the Tax Haven of the world. Think of that! Businesses will flock to the tax free environment! It’s the natural order… Read the “Fair Tax Book.” I simply cannot explain everything to you.
What I learner from your comment is that you hold yourself in high esteem. Scrutinize your beliefs. I have found no reason why I should change my views from your comment. I know from history that a Gold Backed Dollar could prove disastrous… Go on prove me otherwise. I’m open to what you have to say if it has backing, but from what I see you are so obsessed with hate towards the government that you cannot think rationally. Clear your mind and think objectively. It helps.
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GST said
Ok i wrote the following in response to “Keep in mind that his statement is only in context to the current market. It has nothing to do with a Fair Tax market…” on the other blog. It got closed before i posted so il just move it here and be on my way…
lol his statements and the currency has EVERYTHING to do with whatever tax system you have in place. Call the tax system whatever you want. Call it “lovely tax” if you like. Your economy is only as good as its currency.
You say you dont need to learn more about economics and history. That is your number 1 problem. You are young and you think you know it all already(we all do when we are young). If you were truly wise you wouldnt say such things. Its good that you are getting involved in politics at your age , no many do. So , for that , I commend you.
Good luck with your education,politics and your blog. I may pop in from time to time but iv got some campaigning to do for true liberty
Have fun
GST said
Oh and just before i go, I see that you are misrepresenting Ron Paul aswell.Seems you are guessing his policies (btw, he’s a congressman , not a senator). You may want to look into that… if you are serious about this.
Maybe thats why you still support the huckster?
You just havent really looked into Paul all that much and possibly dont understand how his issues are interlocked.
Cya
Kevin said
*Sigh* You see this is where I get downplayed now. So what I’m a kid does that mean I know less than an adult? Absolutely not and I will not be disregarded on account of my age.
If you want to dismiss me in that light it shows me how right I am. By the way I DID NOT say I didn’t have to learn anymore. I was asserting that I was not ignorant on the subject.
“His statements and the currency has EVERYTHING to do with whatever tax system you have in place.”
Yes be that as it may I know a stable dollar is important. I’m saying a gold standard is not the option. Greenspan needs to convince me. He did not…
Kevin said
“You just haven’t really looked into Paul all that much and possibly don’t understand how his issues are interlocked.”
Ah I know the gist of it I can assure you on that. And Yes I know and HAVE KNOWN he is a congressman. I was just about to fix that too. It does not make a difference in my book, but whatever. I do not know the fine tunings that’s for sure, but from what I see I disagree… And dislike…
GST said
Kevin Says:
“First of all I don’t need to read more on economics or history for that matter.”
Kevin Says:
“By the way I DID NOT say I didn’t have to learn anymore”
hmmmm..
Kevin Says:
“*Sigh* You see this is where I get downplayed now. So what I’m a kid does that mean I know less than an adult? Absolutely not and I will not be disregarded on account of my age”
Please read my comments again. I wasnt being nasty. I was just stating my opinion based off your comments. I have no doubt that you know more about economics etc than your average joe. I was merely stating that you are not all knowing on the subject to the point that you dont need to learn anymore.
I can only judge (for want of a better word) your credentials from the info i have. In this case its your comments on this site. They lead me to my above conclusions.
Being young isnt an offense . Declaring you dont need to learn more is when its quite obvious to those reading that you still have more to learn ( AS DO I!!)
Again, i mean no offense.
Ok, i really will go now
Kevin said
“I can only judge (for want of a better word) your credentials from the info i have. In this case its your comments on this site. They lead me to my above conclusions.”
Credentials only count when I try to make educated decisions without outside sources. I cite my sources my man… I may know less about life than an adult, but that does not detract from my arguments!
GST said
Social Security
-Ron Paul is against it. He wants to give people, esp. young people, the chance to opt out of it. He wants to phase it out.
Taxes:
-Lower taxes.
-Abolish the IRS and the income tax
-PHASE out the FED. 1st by legalizing the constitution (gold and silver tender) to act as choice and competition. He’ll ket the market decide the fate of the FED (inevitable the market will kill the FED)
Oh and He is dead set against the UN , WTO , Nafta etc
(seems you took that down – good)
Stephen said
BTW I spoke to the admin of the huck’s army forums as one of the first members, you can even ask him, I had a very police and cordial conversation with him about the direction of the forums etc…..and I left voluntarily.
You have some mis-stated facts here, Ron Paul is not against wiretaps, they just need a valid warrant under the judicial review process and not in some secret backroom deals. This doesn’t mean the warrant is made known to everyone, nor does it mean it can’t happen, it doesn’t even mean it will take an extremely long time, there are judges on standby 24/7 for such issues in any state, no doubt at the federal level.
I did not read much beyond that first issue as it was so wrong.
However, you don’t need to focus on Ron Paul at this point, you will NOT win over anyone that has discovered truth and freedom and embraced it with open arms. I am 24 years old, been a republican, grew up in deeply republican home. the most important thing is that we take back our country for the people we are a representative republic, but we have lost our representation. Congressmen in the House are not longer allowed to even continue their prior work as it is considered a conflict of interest. in reality the real issue and the REAL conflict of interest is keeping them in DC year-around and preventing them from having their ear to their district they are to represent! Being in DC the lobbyist groups rule them, they lose sight of the purpose they were elected to serve, and then through internal regulations denied to exercise the will of the people.
In a day and age of telecom and airplane travel, there is no reason that our congress should not be among the people at least 70% of the year. They are not even reading the laws they are passing now, and they are there nearly all the time except on recess! Look back at the history, the local blacksmith, banker, lawyer, church deacon, etc would be elected, go take care of business in congress, and come back continuing where he left off, why do we bar this today? why is it s conflict of interest to continue your prior work, be among the people you represent, and vote for THEIR interest instead of the special interest groups. the only special interest that should be in the ear of the congress is YOURS.
Stephen
Scott said
Kevin,
Thanks for trying to further the debate.
You did not weigh in on foreign policy in your grid. This is a large basis of the Libertarian platform, and what I consider to be the largest economic issue this election year. If you are trying to win over Ron Paul supporters/Libertarians you need to come to terms with this and explain/justify your position.
Straight up.
-Scott
Kevin said
“Ron Paul is against it. He wants to give people, esp. young people, the chance to opt out of it. He wants to phase it out.”
Might be so, but I see inconsistencies on his comments on it. If he is for getting rid of it more power to him. I expected that!
“Oh and He is dead set against the UN , WTO , Nafta etc”
Yes! But he still spews “International Law” as something we must consider over our decision making… I know he is against the organizations, but you can’t be fore international law and against the organization and have a legitimate stance on the issue…
“-Lower taxes.
-Abolish the IRS and the income tax
-PHASE out the FED. 1st by legalizing the constitution (gold and silver tender) to act as choice and competition. He’ll ket the market decide the fate of the FED (inevitable the market will kill the FED)”
Phase it out abolish it. I makes little difference I am not a lazzie-faire economist. Though I believe market freedom has great advantages Keynesian economics is an attempt at stabilizing the free market. I’d rather see limits on the FED before I see it abolished.
Taxes you have a good point, but I think the tax code should be replaced. You may want to lower taxes, but what tax will you use in the mean time? Our failed tax system…
“You have some mis-stated facts here, Ron Paul is not against wiretaps, they just need a valid warrant under the judicial review process and not in some secret backroom deals. This doesn’t mean the warrant is made known to everyone, nor does it mean it can’t happen, it doesn’t even mean it will take an extremely long time, there are judges on standby 24/7 for such issues in any state, no doubt at the federal level.”
OK I can fix that. I do not think it makes much difference, but whatever…
“The only special interest that should be in the ear of the congress is YOURS.”
I lend my ear to no special interest groups. I speak on my own behalf!
Stephen said
Kevin, You misunderstood, as I wasn’t exactly as clear as I could have been then. Your representative’s ear is to the lobbyist because of the rules. That is dangerous…..
Kevin said
“Kevin, You misunderstood, as I wasn’t exactly as clear as I could have been then. Your representative’s ear is to the lobbyist because of the rules. That is dangerous…..”
For some reason that was more unclear than your previous post…
Stephen said
ok, you don’t get it.
Congressmen are barred from working their previous jobs because it is a “conflict of interest”. They can’t live and work among the people as they did before.
I stated this very clearly the first time. The vision and direction of this for many years was that the congressman was the voice of the people. Their ability to be the voice of the people is minimized now due to rules saying they are n conflict of interest to continue what they did before, back at home. This make the lobbyist have the power over you and I, as it is designed.
Kevin said
That’s what I thought you said… Again I would like to say that I listen to my own beliefs not what others either in congress or in the lobbies. I’m my own man…
Stephen said
Kevin,
so you are in congress now???
Kevin said
What in the world are you trying to say. Are you saying I should listen to a congressman simply because he is one?
I refuse to. I’d rather make my own opinion than emulate another’s.
Stephen said
Kevin,
no please read!
your congressman is OWNED by special interest because in recent times they have internal rules PREVENTING them from being able to live, work, and be among the people they represent while serving in office.
Kevin said
Please be clear this is making no sense…
Regardless at what you are saying. I create my own views…
Stephen said
Kevin,
I am not talking about your views.
I was very clear in that portion.
Your voice can not be heard today like it was in the past, because your congressman/woman is required to be a full time politician instead of a part time politician dedicated to the people. If you can’t understand how your congress being in DC 90% of the year is at our(the people’s) detriment, you really need to step back and evaluate your positions.
The congressmen were to be the common man among the politicians in DC, to not be there continually, to be THE premier voice of the people. This ability has been stripped from us as citizens, and it is time that we reclaim that right by standing up for our voice, and demanding to congress than we be heard over the lobbyist. the lobbyist are NOT in our best interest, only in their agenda. the only agenda our house of rep should hear is yours and mine, not the lobbyist. Until these rules and the current “system” we have in the congress is changed, there is little hope that we will have a true voice in the governmental process. only the lobbyist will have a voice.
Kevin said
Yes, I agree on that it’s just the use of the word “your” made it very unclear…
Stephen said
ok since we are past that point, you are still wrong on wire tapping. it doesn’t have to go before congress for approval, that is the legislative branch. It goes through judicial review, a judge. But whatever you want to believe here…..
Social Security, we have made COMMITMENTS t our seniors, to simply abolish it now would than anything we do! We have to meet our commitments to seniors. To see this any other way is a major fallacy. The only way to make it solvent is to open of the books and make the government lies of the “trust fund” to be exposed, there is NOTHING in this trust fund. It will take major cuts in other areas to meet our commitments to these people that depend upon SS. Dr Paul is the only one addressing this plan fully, taking care of seniors AND our youth by not having them continue to pay in, it will require major reforms in the government to do this, for a whole generation/1.5 generations of our citizens.
Lower taxes and phase out the IRS and the FED, that is exactly right. Go back and study history, central banks are not needed, especially ones that take their marching orders from a world bank or IMF, this is putting OUR US dolalr in outside hands. nothing can be worse than this. However he wants to phase it out by allowing other currency to be circulated legally, this is a really good idea and in fact will result in a more powerful market overall because we all know competition drives innovation, which makes for a better value for us as people. The same can be done in currency, when an alternative currency is seen as being worth more and superior to the federal reserve note, it will cause the dollar to be in the control of us as citizens again instead of the world bank, imf, and federal reserve. in essense they will have to lose their controls to compete, making even the federal reserve notes again worth more.
Secure the borders (we have many boarders, on the sidewalk), again Ron Paul is addressing the CORE issue here and not the superficial, remove the incentive and the illegals GO HOME! Simply adding a fence will do nothing, addressing the core issues will cause them to leave, and come back legally in time. when they come back legally I will welcome them with open arms!
Drugs, as you obviously see by your own internal debate, are a “tricky” issue. However I feel addressing the borders, and the enforcement of our sovereign nation will address most of the major smuggling operations today.
We can’t win a “war on drugs” when the cartels make over 1000% profit on their product.
jail time, this is not really an issue the president controls much, nor should he in a vast majority of the cases. This is a state matter, to enforce their own laws and sentencing guidelines.
DoE is a commonly misunderstood department, they only pass down mandates that cause teachers to stop teaching properly and just teach a test. since you are/were home schooled I am sure you understand this stupidity, no one learns properly by having a test, pretest, practice test, practice test thrown at them daily.
Return schools to local control, and don’t prohibit people from home schooling(this happens in some areas now)
Commonly misunderstood is that DoE funds public schools. Local property taxes in most states fund public schools, NOT the federal government! one area t be addressed in abolishing the DoE is college loans, but this was addressed long before the DoE and will be anytime after. Schools have grants, alumni, trust funds, and they run their budgeting much better than the government ever can.
you didn’t give much time to foreign policy, but you need to give it a study, there is a powerful influence on our nation from nations that do NOT have our best interest in mind, from all over the world.
Stephen
Drak said
This…”blog” is filled with so many delusions and inaccuracies, it leaves on standing slack-jawed as to how to respond.
Go ahead and “vote” for Huckabee, or one of the other statists Ron Paul is running against, it will not matter if it is even Hillary, you will get EXACTLY what you vote for.
Perpetual war and a War economy
Hatred and distrust of America across the globe
Increased federal spending
Increased taxation
Erosion of liberty and freedom
“Democracy” leading to Socialism leading to Communism
And the eventual collapse of the entire Ponzi Scheme that has become American government.
It is Ron Paul or it is goodbye to the Republic.
Good luck with that then…
Brand Of Moonbrook said
What is the purpose of this blog? Is it to fill your own ego? I have read over many of the things you’ve written about Ron Paul. You’ve misrepresented his stances, and you also made many factual errors along the way. I will not correct your mistakes. That way when others see them you will lose credibility. You will not change Ron Paul supporters into Huckabee supporters. Huckabee looks like a big government Democrat compared to Paul. Plus Huckabee is an isolationist. Nothing isolates America more from the rest of the world than war. There is no way Huckabee can beat Hillary due to his war stance. A super majority of Americans want this imperialism to stop.
Kevin said
No I am not misrepresenting him at all! I swear guys if you insist on just insulting me than tell me where I am wrong!
It is my understanding that Paul is an Anti-War Libertarian.
Brand Of Moonbrook said
Why should we correct you when it is in our best interest not to?
Kevin said
Then That means you either have something to hide or you simply do not care enough about your candidate to spread his word.
The former seems more likely…
Stephen said
Kevin,
It turns out you are too ignorant to see the facts, because you refuse to read or study, you have mis-stated on most every regard…..bye! I tried being kind and polite to you, but ignorance isn’t bliss. You are yet young and will learn the hard way.
Kevin said
“Social Security, we have made COMMITMENTS t our seniors, to simply abolish it now would than anything we do! We have to meet our commitments to seniors. To see this any other way is a major fallacy. The only way to make it solvent is to open of the books and make the government lies of the “trust fund” to be exposed, there is NOTHING in this trust fund. It will take major cuts in other areas to meet our commitments to these people that depend upon SS. Dr Paul is the only one addressing this plan fully, taking care of seniors AND our youth by not having them continue to pay in, it will require major reforms in the government to do this, for a whole generation/1.5 generations of our citizens.”
Here you go again… Do you realize how large social security is? We already failed our seniors by the government stealing money from it. SC is nothing but a socialist “government please help me” program. If you do not see this than that’s fine with me, but if you want to “keep a promise” then privately donate, but DO NOT FORCE ME to pay for your mistakes or your retirement.
“Lower taxes and phase out the IRS and the FED, that is exactly right. Go back and study history, central banks are not needed, especially ones that take their marching orders from a world bank or IMF, this is putting OUR US dolalr in outside hands. nothing can be worse than this. However he wants to phase it out by allowing other currency to be circulated legally, this is a really good idea and in fact will result in a more powerful market overall because we all know competition drives innovation, which makes for a better value for us as people. The same can be done in currency, when an alternative currency is seen as being worth more and superior to the federal reserve note, it will cause the dollar to be in the control of us as citizens again instead of the world bank, imf, and federal reserve. in essense they will have to lose their controls to compete, making even the federal reserve notes again worth more.”
You see there is much economic debate on this subject, but the fact is the IRS is unconstitutional. The 16th Amendment goes against our freedoms and we need to get a new method of taxation before we phase out anything…
“ok since we are past that point, you are still wrong on wire tapping. it doesn’t have to go before congress for approval, that is the legislative branch. It goes through judicial review, a judge. But whatever you want to believe here…”
You misunderstand our system. Law mandates that presidential policies be reviewed by congress and then if necessary the Legislative. All in all most of the time it must go through some form of alternative branch.
“It turns out you are too ignorant to see the facts, because you refuse to read or study, you have mis-stated on most every regard…..bye! I tried being kind and polite to you, but ignorance isn’t bliss. You are yet young and will learn the hard way.”
Too ignorant? You know what… This actually makes me feel quite confident on my position. Once you get to the point where your views are attacked you know how correct you are… Oh well, These will be my views and I do not see how any experience will change them, but I’m just a stupid kid so I don’t know ANYTHING!
I’m going to go back and play with my letter puzzle now… (sarcasm)
Stephen said
Kevin,
This disdain you show the seniors in our country it frightening, yes I know it is expensive, but you have to phase it our, we have made commitments to these and to steal a term “cut and run” from them is downright criminal. I fully understand and agree it was a socialist service, but they were forced to pay into it, they should get it back. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
There are other problems in your reply but you would prefer to not address them so I will now stop addressing you.
Kevin said
I don’t have disdain for seniors I have disdain for the program.
How’s this for an idea? Anyone who filed to pay taxes on social security before its abolishment qualifies to receive the aid. So there you go they receive aid and the socialist idea is gone. At least they will receive recompense for the slight.
“There are other problems in your reply but you would prefer to not address them so I will now stop addressing you.”
What? Did I miss something that you said? I believe I addressed your disdain. Oh well so long! Have fun in life…
Moshe Kerr said
Kevin
I too at 48 feel that your bash. I doubt you have much practical work experience. When i was your age … your behavior and perspective has much in common with your folk, been there done that. Still congrats on your new blog.
Eventually you’ll learn that influencing people requires the ability to listen to the other and not be so quick to negate, but young puppies must romp.
regards,
moshe
Kevin said
I guess all I can say is “yes sir,” however, generally I do listen… The difficultiny is doing so with someone who tries to attack you. I’m not talking about you…
anoymous said
Ok let me be honest, we are allowed dot have direct taxes. However direct taxes must be apportioned. Our current income tax is not proportionate thats what makes it unconstitutional. Also the other reason it is illegal is the Supreme Court rulings on the 16th amendment defined “income” as only dividends earned from capital gains or business ventures. In one case they even stated that wages can not be taxed under the definition of “income.” The definition of income was defined by the Supreme Court.
Technically what the government is really taxing is an excise on income. I’ll name i the pursuit of happiness tax, which by the way is still illegal. That is truly what they are taxing us on, it’s not a direct tax, but still violates the Constitution and the right to happiness.
Oh yea about the Federal Reserve, technically it’s been operating illegaly since 1933, when it’s charter expired. It was never rechartered. However in 2002 they edited some lines pertaining to the Fed stating that after 1927 it would become an entity that congress could remove at any time. But it’s charter was never renewed, and changing the USC to fit it’s current need without renewing the charter has made it still operating illegally. So the fed is a bank operating without a charter.